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Re: PMS SubJunk Build SB20 (Updated 26/03/2011)

Postby ExSport » Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:24 am

Also this one is not bad when you need max quality:
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keyint=5:vqscale=1:vqmin=2:vqmax=3
vqmax=3 will limit codec to not go so low in bitrate when e.g. full black picture visible so it can avoid artefacts when encoder will wrongly undercompute minimal bitrate needed for these specific scenes.
vqmin=1 is not recommended (can lead to non-compatible files or picture with artifacts...some renderers doesn't support so high bitrates generated with these settings)
keyint=5 will help in bandwidth limiting/precision. Some renderers are OK with keyint=25, some not, so 5 is good default.
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Re: PMS SubJunk Build SB20 (Updated 26/03/2011)

Postby jpagie » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:34 am

mongoosenco wrote:... If it is a common bug I am sure the programmers in THEIR FREETIME will get to it sooner or later. If you were paying for the program and support it would be one thing, but this is a beta program. I don't want to sound rude, but you need to chill a bit.

It's not rude to say what's on your mind mongoosenco, so non taken. It's even a fact I need to chill :mrgreen: . For that very reason (using PMS to watch a movie -> to sit back and RELAX(!)) I need to know what's causes my problems.
That's why I'm here for. And we're all here to help eachother..
The main reason I'm stressed, is my uncapability to comprehensible communicate to "image" you all what's going wrong exactly. I'm sorry for that.
# In fact, i'm sure that if I could (or.. anyone could see it 'life') -> it's solved in a minute (...)

@ jmasterdude:
Thanks for describing all that you went thru, all you said is clearly recognizable by me.

jmasterdude wrote:Before applying SB20 I unistalled PMS and made sure to delete the service and all PMS folders including the appdata. Last night I started checking PMS for the first time in a couple of months. I was amazed that now almost all of my HD videos work fine.


I did installed SB20 after I totally reinstalled Windows (Win7 64bit). Installed Java 6 update 23.
- My HD content like MKV is running like a charm with Dutch sub, even with the highest video quality 1:1:1. Quality is superiour @ approx. 60-100mb a second. No humps, weird framerate things; all is perfect!
* to be sure I use as default: keyint=1:vqscale=1:vqmin=2

- My VIDEO_TS (just normal dvd's) on the other hand: every second it looks like it 'freeze up' (a frame?) for just a tiny milisecond (only video, not audio). Quality seems good enough, it is just this annoying 'framehopping', don't know how to describe it otherwise. (Adjusting my 'video quality settings' and 'bandwith limit' does not influence this problem at all, not for the worse or better).

I did test disable and enable;
- A/V syncs alt. methode,
- Force framerate parsed from FFmpeg
- custom parameters: framerate == 23.976 :: -speed 1.042709376 -ofps 25 (and left blank)

Maybe someone out here get a hunch on how this most probably could be solved.... and I will try not to stress myself ;)

Thanks in anticipation and all feedback,

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Re: PMS SubJunk Build SB20 (Updated 26/03/2011)

Postby spida_singh » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:48 am

SubJunk wrote:
spida_singh wrote:Everytime i try to play this file i get a corrupted data message.
This is solved in the FAQ thread :) Basically you need to download MKVToolnix, run its program MKVMerge, then load that file and remux it to remove the header compression option.

DPT wrote:Sooo wired im getting the memorey error using half of it when i use 600 mb in buffer but not when i use 400. I have raised the xm to 2048.
So keep it at 400 :) 400 is just as good as 600; if your computer can't handle a video with a 400mb buffer it probably won't handle it with 600 either


Thanks...my fault for not reading the FAQ again..apologies.

EDIT, tried the new remuxed one, still the same problem..., if i remove the subs or use TXmuxer to play(as it plays without subs), its fine, but, i need the subs as its in a different language...?

EDIT2: I have uploaded a sample here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YKKJTXCD

Any other ideas?

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Re: PMS SubJunk Build SB20 (Updated 26/03/2011)

Postby slooff » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:35 pm

@jpagie: not sure if it will help, but I had some strange video/audio issues with DVD ISO's and fixed those by adding the mencoder_decode "-mc 0" option. Can't hurt to try...;-)
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Re: PMS SubJunk Build SB20 (Updated 26/03/2011)

Postby slooff » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:00 pm

@spida_singh:
apparently you didn't mux the correct way. This is your file (notice the "header stripping" info for muxing modus):
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Algemeen
UniqueID/String                  : 174120767395669355318011266595100406273 (0x82FE70A2F7E906D0A677F4D3B1E1B201)
Volledige naam                   : F:\Users\erik\Downloads\timetraveller (1)-003.mkv
Formaat                          : Matroska
Bestandsgrootte                  : 50,7 MiB
Duur                             : 1mn 1s
Totale bitrate                   : 6 860 Kbps
Datum codering                   : UTC 2011-03-29 17:26:09
Gebruikt programma               : mkvmerge v4.6.0 ('Still Crazy After All These Years') built on Mar 10 2011 02:50:32
Gebruikte encoderbibliotheek     : libebml v1.2.0 + libmatroska v1.1.0

Video
ID                               : 1
Formaat                          : AVC
Formaat/Info                     : Advanced Video Codec
Formaatprofiel                   : High@L4.1
Formaatinstellingen, CABAC       : Ja
Formaatinstellingen, ReFrames    : 5 frames
Muxingmodus                      : Header stripping
Codec-ID                         : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duur                             : 1mn 1s
Bitrate                          : 6 083 Kbps
Breedte                          : 1 280 pixels
Hoogte                           : 720 pixels
Beeldverhouding                  : 16:9
Framerate                        : 23,976 fps
ColorSpace                       : YUV
ChromaSubsampling                : 4:2:0
BitDepth/String                  : 8 bits
Scansoort                        : Progressief
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.275
Stroomgrootte                    : 44,9 MiB (89%)
Taal                             : Japans

Audio
ID                               : 2
Formaat                          : AC-3
Formaat/Info                     : Audio Coding 3
Format_Settings_ModeExtension    : CM (complete main)
Muxingmodus                      : Header stripping
Codec-ID                         : A_AC3
Duur                             : 1mn 1s
Bitrate-modus                    : Constant
Bitrate                          : 640 Kbps
Kanaal(en)                       : 2 kanalen
Kanaalposities                   : Front: L R
Samplerate                       : 48,0 KHz
BitDepth/String                  : 16 bits
Video vertraging                 : 14ms
Stroomgrootte                    : 4,73 MiB (9%)
Taal                             : Japans

Tekst
ID                               : 3
Formaat                          : UTF-8
Codec-ID                         : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec-ID/Info                    : UTF-8 Plain Text
Taal                             : Engels


and this is after I muxed it:
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Algemeen
UniqueID/String                  : 196774280408128129903271556222342270309 (0x9409590F78B4A8B69C1FDFEEE99E0D65)
Volledige naam                   : F:\Users\erik\Downloads\timetraveller (1)-003 (1).mkv
Formaat                          : Matroska
Bestandsgrootte                  : 50,7 MiB
Duur                             : 1mn 1s
Totale bitrate                   : 6 860 Kbps
Datum codering                   : UTC 2011-03-30 13:54:00
Gebruikt programma               : mkvmerge v4.6.0 ('Still Crazy After All These Years') built on Mar 10 2011 02:50:32
Gebruikte encoderbibliotheek     : libebml v1.2.0 + libmatroska v1.1.0

Video
ID                               : 1
Formaat                          : AVC
Formaat/Info                     : Advanced Video Codec
Formaatprofiel                   : High@L4.1
Formaatinstellingen, CABAC       : Ja
Formaatinstellingen, ReFrames    : 5 frames
Codec-ID                         : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duur                             : 1mn 1s
Bitrate                          : 6 084 Kbps
Breedte                          : 1 280 pixels
Hoogte                           : 720 pixels
Beeldverhouding                  : 16:9
Framerate                        : 23,976 fps
ColorSpace                       : YUV
ChromaSubsampling                : 4:2:0
BitDepth/String                  : 8 bits
Scansoort                        : Progressief
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.275
Stroomgrootte                    : 45,0 MiB (89%)
Taal                             : Japans

Audio
ID                               : 2
Formaat                          : AC-3
Formaat/Info                     : Audio Coding 3
Format_Settings_ModeExtension    : CM (complete main)
Codec-ID                         : A_AC3
Duur                             : 1mn 1s
Bitrate-modus                    : Constant
Bitrate                          : 640 Kbps
Kanaal(en)                       : 2 kanalen
Kanaalposities                   : Front: L R
Samplerate                       : 48,0 KHz
BitDepth/String                  : 16 bits
Video vertraging                 : 14ms
Stroomgrootte                    : 4,73 MiB (9%)
Taal                             : Japans

Tekst
ID                               : 3
Formaat                          : UTF-8
Codec-ID                         : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec-ID/Info                    : UTF-8 Plain Text
Taal                             : Engels

What you need to do for both the audio and video tracks, when using mkvmergeGUI, is to set compression to "none" under the "Extra options" tab.
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Re: PMS SubJunk Build SB20 (Updated 26/03/2011)

Postby jpagie » Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:52 pm

slooff wrote:@jpagie: not sure if it will help, but I had some strange video/audio issues with DVD ISO's and fixed those by adding the mencoder_decode "-mc 0" option. Can't hurt to try...;-)


Hi slooff, thanks for the suggestion! I did tried that option (even restart after save), unfortunately it didn't help..
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Re: PMS SubJunk Build SB20 (Updated 26/03/2011)

Postby spida_singh » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:02 pm

slooff wrote:@spida_singh:
apparently you didn't mux the correct way. This is your file (notice the "header stripping" info for muxing modus):
Code: Select all
Algemeen
UniqueID/String                  : 174120767395669355318011266595100406273 (0x82FE70A2F7E906D0A677F4D3B1E1B201)
Volledige naam                   : F:\Users\erik\Downloads\timetraveller (1)-003.mkv
Formaat                          : Matroska
Bestandsgrootte                  : 50,7 MiB
Duur                             : 1mn 1s
Totale bitrate                   : 6 860 Kbps
Datum codering                   : UTC 2011-03-29 17:26:09
Gebruikt programma               : mkvmerge v4.6.0 ('Still Crazy After All These Years') built on Mar 10 2011 02:50:32
Gebruikte encoderbibliotheek     : libebml v1.2.0 + libmatroska v1.1.0

Video
ID                               : 1
Formaat                          : AVC
Formaat/Info                     : Advanced Video Codec
Formaatprofiel                   : High@L4.1
Formaatinstellingen, CABAC       : Ja
Formaatinstellingen, ReFrames    : 5 frames
Muxingmodus                      : Header stripping
Codec-ID                         : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duur                             : 1mn 1s
Bitrate                          : 6 083 Kbps
Breedte                          : 1 280 pixels
Hoogte                           : 720 pixels
Beeldverhouding                  : 16:9
Framerate                        : 23,976 fps
ColorSpace                       : YUV
ChromaSubsampling                : 4:2:0
BitDepth/String                  : 8 bits
Scansoort                        : Progressief
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.275
Stroomgrootte                    : 44,9 MiB (89%)
Taal                             : Japans

Audio
ID                               : 2
Formaat                          : AC-3
Formaat/Info                     : Audio Coding 3
Format_Settings_ModeExtension    : CM (complete main)
Muxingmodus                      : Header stripping
Codec-ID                         : A_AC3
Duur                             : 1mn 1s
Bitrate-modus                    : Constant
Bitrate                          : 640 Kbps
Kanaal(en)                       : 2 kanalen
Kanaalposities                   : Front: L R
Samplerate                       : 48,0 KHz
BitDepth/String                  : 16 bits
Video vertraging                 : 14ms
Stroomgrootte                    : 4,73 MiB (9%)
Taal                             : Japans

Tekst
ID                               : 3
Formaat                          : UTF-8
Codec-ID                         : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec-ID/Info                    : UTF-8 Plain Text
Taal                             : Engels


and this is after I muxed it:
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Algemeen
UniqueID/String                  : 196774280408128129903271556222342270309 (0x9409590F78B4A8B69C1FDFEEE99E0D65)
Volledige naam                   : F:\Users\erik\Downloads\timetraveller (1)-003 (1).mkv
Formaat                          : Matroska
Bestandsgrootte                  : 50,7 MiB
Duur                             : 1mn 1s
Totale bitrate                   : 6 860 Kbps
Datum codering                   : UTC 2011-03-30 13:54:00
Gebruikt programma               : mkvmerge v4.6.0 ('Still Crazy After All These Years') built on Mar 10 2011 02:50:32
Gebruikte encoderbibliotheek     : libebml v1.2.0 + libmatroska v1.1.0

Video
ID                               : 1
Formaat                          : AVC
Formaat/Info                     : Advanced Video Codec
Formaatprofiel                   : High@L4.1
Formaatinstellingen, CABAC       : Ja
Formaatinstellingen, ReFrames    : 5 frames
Codec-ID                         : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duur                             : 1mn 1s
Bitrate                          : 6 084 Kbps
Breedte                          : 1 280 pixels
Hoogte                           : 720 pixels
Beeldverhouding                  : 16:9
Framerate                        : 23,976 fps
ColorSpace                       : YUV
ChromaSubsampling                : 4:2:0
BitDepth/String                  : 8 bits
Scansoort                        : Progressief
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.275
Stroomgrootte                    : 45,0 MiB (89%)
Taal                             : Japans

Audio
ID                               : 2
Formaat                          : AC-3
Formaat/Info                     : Audio Coding 3
Format_Settings_ModeExtension    : CM (complete main)
Codec-ID                         : A_AC3
Duur                             : 1mn 1s
Bitrate-modus                    : Constant
Bitrate                          : 640 Kbps
Kanaal(en)                       : 2 kanalen
Kanaalposities                   : Front: L R
Samplerate                       : 48,0 KHz
BitDepth/String                  : 16 bits
Video vertraging                 : 14ms
Stroomgrootte                    : 4,73 MiB (9%)
Taal                             : Japans

Tekst
ID                               : 3
Formaat                          : UTF-8
Codec-ID                         : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec-ID/Info                    : UTF-8 Plain Text
Taal                             : Engels

What you need to do for both the audio and video tracks, when using mkvmergeGUI, is to set compression to "none" under the "Extra options" tab.



Thanks, it worked!!! Ill rmember that for all other mkv's...cheers :D
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Re: PMS SubJunk Build SB20 (Updated 26/03/2011)

Postby DPT » Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:09 pm

SubJunk wrote:
DPT wrote:Im using 5,1,1 now. But i will try the 5,1,2 today :)

Thanks :)

Regards DPT
5,1,2 is default in the upcoming SB21 :) and yeah the quality is sometimes even better with 5,1,2 than 5,1,1 so you may get a nice surprise


WOW the quality is very nice and the mbps is not like 100 mbps.

Nice! :D

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Re: PMS SubJunk Build SB20 (Updated 26/03/2011)

Postby mazey » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:28 am

just like to chime in and say the 5,1,2 thing is kinda nice i didnt know the first number would limit the bandwidth without quality loss, anyway im now using 5,1,1 (lossless my bravia can handle it :)) and also removed the max bandwidth set to 48 (bravia max speed) from the config cuz it was stuttering without it on some mkvs. works flawlessly. tested my usual hard case mkvs and they all play fine dont notice any difference.. apart from lower bandwidth speeds which can always be a good thing since im limited to 100mbit. anyway nice 1.. btw the status page is also fixed now no scroll bar (in the latest svn) :) thx so much cant wait till sb21 :)
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Re: PMS SubJunk Build SB20 (Updated 26/03/2011)

Postby ExSport » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:01 pm

With 5,1,1 you can't get uder 48Mbit bandwidth with 1080p files so I suppose you are remuxing/streaming and not transcoding?
Anyway with 5,1,1 and 5,1,2 you can't see differences in quality but for some files 5,1,1 settings doesn't work ok because MEncoder generates buffer underrun errors so more compatible is 5,1,2.
Shuttering with bandwidth limit set is due to CPU demands. When set, conversion eats much more CPU cycles. Because of that it is sometimes better to lower quality without any limits which will give same quality as with defined limits but with much less CPU needs.
How to limit bitrate without any limits set? Play with vqmin and vqmax:
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keyint=1:vqscale=1:vqmin=4:vqmax=5

If vqmin=vqmax then video stream should have constant quality so it is easier to find right value for WIFI/LAN100/LAN1000 etc.
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